If you try this comfort challenge, please share your experience in the comments below! I’d love to read them. It’s always a hilarious and valuable exploration of getting more comfortable with discomfort.

Here is the original text of the challenge from The 4-Hour Workweek:

My friend Michael Ellsberg invented a singles event called Eye Gazing. It is similar to speed dating but different in one fundamental respect—no speaking is permitted. It involves gazing into the eyes of each partner for three minutes at a time. If you go to such an event, it becomes clear how uncomfortable most people are doing this. For the next two days, practice gazing into the eyes of others—whether people you pass on the street or conversational partners—until they break contact.

Hints:

1. Focus on one eye and be sure to blink occasionally so you don’t look like a psychopath or get your ass kicked.

2. In conversation, maintain eye contact when you are speaking. It’s easy to do while listening.

3. Practice with people bigger or more confident than yourself. If a passerby asks you what the hell you’re staring at, just smile and respond, “Sorry about that. I thought you were an old friend of mine.”

If you try this comfort challenge, please share your experience in the comments below! I’d love to read them. It’s always a hilarious and valuable exploration of getting more comfortable with discomfort.

“I think of learning as unobstructed self-expression.”
— Josh Waitzkin

Josh Waitzkin, author of The Art of Learning: An Inner Journey to Optimal Performance, is an eight-time national chess champion, a two-time world champion in Tai Chi Chuan Push Hands, and the first Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt under nine-time world champion Marcelo Garcia.

For the past 12 years, Josh has been channeling his passion for the outer limits of the learning process toward training elite mental performers in business and finance and to revolutionizing the education system through his nonprofit foundation, The Art of Learning Project. Josh is currently in the process of taking on his fourth and fifth disciplines, paddle surfing and foiling, and is an all-in father and husband.

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Want to hear another conversation with Josh Waitzkin? — In this episode (his most recent previous appearance on The Tim Ferriss Show), we discussed cramming two months of learning into one day, what Ernest Hemingway and Marcelo Garcia could teach us about letting go, the mediocrity of the “simmering six,” and lots more. (Stream below or right-click here to download):

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

• Connect with Josh Waitzkin:

Website | The Art of Learning Project

• Josh’s first, second, third, and fourth appearances on this show.
• The Art of Learning: An Inner Journey to Optimal Performance by Josh Waitzkin
• How to Become a Chess Grandmaster?, Chess.com
• Sicilian Defense: Najdorf Variation, The Chess Website
• Josh Waitzkin’s Tai Chi Push Hands Videos, Content Galaxy
• Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Wikipedia
• How to Foil Pumping Hydrofoil Surfing, Horue Movie
• eFoil, Lift
• Onewheel Electric Skateboards
• How to Fall Safely: 3 Breakfall Techniques, GMB Fitness
• Why I Fell and What I Do During a Wipeout, Nathan Florence
• Mechanics of Pipeline, Surfline
• How to Recognize and Avoid Groupthink, Verywell Mind
• Zendo Project
• Lightning in a Bottle
• Burning Man
• Tony Robbins Starts Each Day by Plunging into Freezing Cold Water after an Extra-Hot Sauna — and Research Suggests It’s a Healthy Habit, Business Insider
• About Holotropic Breathwork, Grof Transpersonal Training
• Slack
• Learning How to SUP Surf, Adventure Sports Network
• The Princess Bride
• William C.C. Chen Tai Chi Chuan, New York City
• This is Water by David Foster Wallace
• “The Iceman” Wim Hof, The Tim Ferriss Show #102
• Lose Yourself by Eminem
• Hack Your Mind Like a Twenty-First Century Soldier: Using Biofeedback to Become More Resilient, Art of Manliness
• Building Your Trigger, The Art of Learning Project
• The Manchurian Candidate
• The Ultimate List of Cognitive Biases: Why Humans Make Irrational Decisions, HumanHow
• A Bad Outcome Doesn’t Mean a Bad Decision, Striving Strategically
• The Relationship Between Mental and Somatic Practices and Wisdom, PLoS One
• Marcelo Garcia Jiu-Jitsu Academy
• The Marcelotine, Attack the Back
• 20 Years of Mundial, BJJ Heroes
• Marcelo Garcia vs. Claudio Calasans 2010 Worlds BJJ, Galveston BJJ
• Kelly Starrett and Dr. Justin Mager, The Tim Ferriss Show #3
• Expedient Means, Nichiren Buddhism Library
• Books by Robert Kegan
• Graham Duncan — Talent Is the Best Asset Class, The Tim Ferriss Show #362)
• Grandmaster Maurice Ashley Plays NYC Trash Talker, The Tim Ferriss Experiment

SHOW NOTES

• What is Josh’s history with chess Grandmaster Maurice Ashley, and how have their shared and individual ideas about assumptions and shared constructs changed in the past 20 years? [04:45]
• How Josh’s approach to learning differs from his friend and fellow athlete Dan Caulfield. [10:16]
• What is foil boarding, and how does it overcome the conditions that restrict traditional surfing in a way that makes it a metaphor for Josh’s relationship to learning? [11:38]
• eFoiling, one-wheeling, and the importance of learning how to fall safely. [13:14]
• Foils and boils: practicing the art of falling from a practical vs. an Instagram-ready standpoint. [15:37]
• How volunteering to care for people going through difficult psychedelic experiences at a music festival was my version of learning to navigate boils. In both cases, we’re really practicing the ability to be comfortable around extraordinary circumstances in order to fully experience what follows. [18:49]
• How designing a learning process around the meta can build skills applicable to countless circumstances — and why an observer with a lifetime of surfing under their belt might consider Josh’s approach to learning the craft odd. [22:16]
• The benefits of being a beginner. [26:10]
• Josh says: “The internal spirit is the teacher or myself 20 years from now.” What does he mean by this? [32:44]
• What young Tim once learned from talking to an old Tim at a ski lodge fireside, and why asking for advice from another version of one’s self is a worthwhile thought exercise. [36:02]
• A short retelling of the time Josh almost died doing Wif Hof breathing in a swimming pool, how surviving the event inspired the way he and his family live now. [39:58]
• Writing exercises that have gotten me in the mindset — without putting myself in actual danger — to make decisions under the weight of imminent mortality. [42:02]
• “Firewalking” with Josh: How to physiologically embody something we’re trying to learn in a way that mere observation can’t instill. [43:38]
• The importance of feedback loops and the game-changing difference it can make to have them on tap in unlimited, accurate doses. Can Josh tell me about the feedback loops he consults in his own life without referring to foiling in some capacity? When might he not want to reflect on the scrutiny of a feedback loop? [46:59]
• When a coach or trainer’s feedback might be counterproductive. [53:39]
• As someone who isolates himself by design except for interactions with employees, family, and friends and doesn’t rely on social media, how does Josh stress-test the integrity of his own thinking and positions? [55:10]
• To separate the wheat from the chaffe of your ideas, cultivate a close ecosystem of people you can trust to be honest with you in their pushback — or a partner whose thought processes complement rather than compliment your own. [58:54]
• Examining the confidence that Josh describes as being “a little bit crazy and messianic” in the character of many high-acheivers who seem to chart a record of success regardless of the opinion of their lessers — like nine-time BJJ World Champion Marcelo Garcia. [1:00:24]
• The unexpected rewards of approaching skill acquisition in an unorthodox way: when Josh and Dan’s eFoil training translated to foil as they expected — and as none of the “experts” would have. [1:03:37]
• I offer some pushback on the point that Josh would have rejected the notion of that translation if he had stress-tested it. [1:05:17]
• Reps hidden in plain sight. [1:05:46]
• In what other arts — chess, BJJ, push hands, or investing — might reps be similarly hidden in plain sight or lend themselves to deliberate practice? [1:07:30]
• Conceptual or thematic reps hidden in plain sight. [1:09:02]
• Of course Josh’s method of teaching my girlfriend and me how to surf flies in the face of how most instructors would do it. I think it also happens to be right — and in line with the empathetic methods of another exceptional coach I know, Kelly Starrett. [1:10:04]
• Who is Robert Kegan, and why is he interesting to Josh? [1:15:29]
• Parting thoughts. [1:18:35]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

• Maurice Ashley
• Dan Caulfield
• Magnus Carlsen
• Miguel Najdorf
• William C.C. Chen
• Jorge Luis Borges
• David Foster Wallace
• Wim Hof
• Eminem
• Emily Kwok
• Jackson Pollock
• Warren Buffett
• Charlie Munger
• Marcelo Garcia
• Claudio Calasans
• Kelly Starrett
• Gautama Buddha
• Robert Kegan
• Graham Duncan
• Laird Hamilton

If you try this comfort challenge, please share your experience in the comments below! I’d love to read them. It’s always a hilarious and valuable exploration of getting more comfortable with discomfort.

Here is the original text of the challenge from The 4-Hour Workweek:

Stop asking for opinions and start proposing solutions. Begin with the small things. If someone is going to ask, or asks, “Where should we eat?” “What movie should we watch?” “What should we do tonight?” or anything similar, do NOT reflect it back with, “Well, what do you want to . . . ?” Offer a solution. Stop the back-and-forth and make a decision. Practice this in both personal and professional environments. Here are a few lines that help (my favorites are the first and last):

“May I make a suggestion?”

“I propose . . .”

“I’d like to propose . . .”

“I suggest that . . . What do you think?”

“Let’s try . . . and then try something else if that doesn’t work.”

If you try this comfort challenge, please share your experience in the comments below! I’d love to read them. It’s always a hilarious and valuable exploration of getting more comfortable with discomfort.

“Hope is not a strategy.“

— James Cameron

A prescient article titled “Body Count” by Epsilon Theory/Ben Hunt (@epsilontheory) was recently sent to me by one of my smartest and most connected friends. 

It paints a spooky picture of the Chinese reports of what has been informally referred to as “Wuhan coronavirus.” Per the WHO this week, the official virus name is SARS-CoV-2, and the disease it causes is COVID-19, much like HIV causes AIDS. Here is one portion from this essay (edited for length), and I suggest reading the entire piece:

From a narrative perspective, China is fighting this war against nCov2019 exactly like the US fought its war against North Vietnam. … They convince themselves that the people can’t handle the truth, particularly if the truth ain’t such good news. They convince themselves that they can buy enough time to win the real-world war by designing and employing a carefully constructed “communication strategy” to win the narrative-world war. That strategy proved to be a social and political disaster for the United States, as the cartoon tail (gotta get more NV casualties for Cronkite to report) ended up wagging the policy dog (send out more counterproductive search-and-destroy missions). I think exactly the same thing is happening in China. And I think the social and political repercussions will be exactly as disastrous.

Read the whole article here.

Next, here’s some personal background that might be relevant: during previous international scares involving avian flu, Ebola, SARS, etc., I did not panic nor move into a bunker. Once I felt I understood the data related to each, I more or less went about my life as usual.

I am not panicking this time, either. That said, I am curtailing unnecessary travel and group interactions for the next 2–3 weeks to see how things shake out, particularly given the asymptomatic “incubation period” of up to 14 days. 

Might that be an overreaction? Might I be misinformed? Totally. But then again, how many head-on car accidents have I had? Zero. I nonetheless put on my seatbelt every time that I drive, and we have great data on traffic fatalities. Do you have a fire extinguisher in your kitchen? Would you accept $100 to get rid of it? $1,000? I wouldn’t. As unlikely as a kitchen fire may be, the extreme known consequences of an out-of-control fire easily justify a fire extinguisher, even if it gathers dust forever. It’s cheap disaster insurance, just like having emergency stores of water in the garage.

Even though some folks think of me as a “risk-taker,” I self-identify much more as a “risk-mitigator.” Whether in the context of my 100+ startup investments, scientific research I support, or otherwise, I think about risk a whole lot. This includes misperception of risk, cognitive biases, and so on. I also have excellent access to reputable experts.

I dislike the unknowns of SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19, no treatment has yet proven effective, and—like putting on a seatbelt—it’s easy for me to mitigate a lot of downside risk until more data paint a clearer picture. Videos like this (hat tip to Naval Ravikant) lead me to think that metaphorically wearing an eight-point harness for 2–3 weeks isn’t the worst idea. As of Feb 13, 2020, the comparisons I’ve seen to influenza aren’t totally compelling for at least one of the following reasons: 1) the numbers cited are often simply incorrect, 2) they assume we have equally longitudinal/reliable data for both, 3) they assume recovery and treatment are equally known for both. From The New York Times today:

There remains deep uncertainty about the new coronavirus’ mortality rate, with the high-end estimate that it is up to 20 times that of the flu, but some estimates go as low as 0.16 percent for those affected outside of China’s overwhelmed Hubei province. About on par with the flu.

We simply do not know at this point, and “knowing” is often a spectrum of probabilities based on data.

This post is not intended to spread panic; it’s intended to look at risk-assessment and decision-making when you are making a 100-mile journey into terra incognita and can only see 10 feet in front of you with a flashlight. In cases like this, I find it better to prepare and not need, than to need and not have prepared… especially when some precautions are so simple and so cheap.

I am constantly looking for such “seatbelts” in many areas of my life. Dead-simple ways to cap some or all of the downside risk.

If COVID-19 turns out to be a false alarm, or if it doesn’t turn into a full-blown catastrophe in the US, many people who ignored the news and didn’t change their routines will no doubt say, “I told you so.”

But let’s remember: I don’t have a strong opinion about what COVID-19 is or isn’t. That’s the whole point.

I’m not saying COVID-19 is a disaster, and I’m not saying it’s trivial. We don’t have enough information right now to conclude either.

I’ve also been called an “alarmist” by a few folks this week.

But am I?

Am I an alarmist for wearing a seatbelt? For having fire extinguishers? Few would say so. And those are games of near-complete information. Common influenza would also fall close by.

If those are similar to chess, our current situation is more like backgammon. Plenty of moves are still up to Lady Fortune (actual lethality profile, successful containment, etc.).

I would argue that my decision-making framework related to SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19—especially given the unknowns—is sound at the time of this writing. This is true regardless of eventual outcome. And anyone who says they’re 100% certain of outcomes — right now — is either delusional or lying. At best, they are gambling with a blindfold on, not betting intelligently.

For more on all of this, I suggest reading Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don’t Have All the Facts by poker champion Annie Duke.

Last, you know what is much scarier to me than COVID-19?

When people vehemently “know” things that they simply cannot know.

And scarier still?

When otherwise smart people veto their structured thinking because they have inconveniences or incentives (money, work, business travel, etc.) that lead them to search for disconfirming evidence. 

That’s when really big problems become inevitable.

I am very, very excited to introduce this interview, as I’ve been wanting to meet today’s guest, Richard Turner, for almost two years now. I first came across Richard Turner (richardturner52.com, youtube.com/richardturner52) in the documentary Dealt, directed by Luke Korem.

I can’t remember the last time I finished a documentary, only to want to watch it again immediately afterward. I also can’t remember a doc that made me as emotional as Dealt did, pushing me from laughter to tears. It has 95 percent on Rotten Tomatoes and won the 2017 Documentary Feature Audience Choice Award at the South by Southwest Film Festival. Everyone should watch it.

But let’s get to my guest. Who is Richard Turner?

Richard is regarded as the best card mechanic and among the best up-close magicians in the world. He has entertained millions of people, including notables like Johnny Carson, Bob Hope, Secretary of State Colin Powell, actor Brad Pitt, sports legend Muhammad Ali, and many more.

Richard has received many accolades, including the 2015 Close-up Magician of the Year Award, the magic industry’s equivalent of the Oscar.

His skill with a deck of cards has been featured on television shows around the world, including a performance on Penn & Teller: Fool Us, in which Penn Jillette admitted, “Richard Turner is one of the finest sleight-of-hand artists who has ever lived. He fooled us with every single move he did!”

Richard is also a sixth-degree karate black belt, and we get into all that on the podcast.

Note: Toward the end of the interview, you will hear Richard performing card tricks. He did them in front of me, and he absolutely blew my mind. I highly recommend checking out the interview on YouTube, as I made sure to have video from multiple angles for this episode. Just go to youtube.com/timferriss. Not to sound like a mullet-wearing Long Island boy (which I’ve been), but this footage is simply fucking amazing.

Oh, and did I mention that Richard is completely blind? That’s right. You’re in for a ride, my friends.

Please enjoy!

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the conversation on YouTube. 

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What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

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Want to hear another episode with someone who lives without limits? — Listen to my conversation with Nicholas McCarthy. In this episode, we discuss how to overcome limitations, proving doubters wrong, how to manage ego, and much more. (Stream below or right-click here to download):

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

• Connect with Richard Turner:

Website | APB Speaker Agency | YouTube | Facebook

• Dealt
• The Magic Castle
• Grand Ole Opry
• The Trick That Fooled Houdini — Revealed by Oscar Owen, YouTube
• Main Types of Magic Performance, The Abracadabra
• The Expert at the Card Table: The Classic Treatise on Card Manipulation by S.W. Erdnase
• The Towering Inferno
• Earthquake
• Angels & Demons
• Circus of the Stars, IMDb
• Wonder Woman
• Luca Brasi’s Demise, The Godfather
• Secret Peeking Technique Card Trick Tutorial, 52Kards
• Mechanic’s Grip, Monty’s Magic
• Side Kick 101: Everything You Need to Know about a Side Kick, Law of the Fist
• This Morning Interview with Richard Turner, CBS
• Scarlet Fever: All You Need to Know, CDC
• Lord of the Flies (1963 Film)
• Lost in Space
• Ben-Hur
• Kato Fight Scene, The Green Hornet
• Maverick
• Richard Turner’s Strength Measurement, 4th Degree Black Belt
• Charles Bonnet Syndrome, NHS
• Hallucinations by Oliver Sacks
• The Mind’s Eye by Oliver Sacks
• What Freudian Slips Really Reveal about Your Mind, BBC Future
• Difference Between Eidetic Memory And Photographic Memory, BetterHelp
• Campho-Phenique
• Naranca Elementary
• San Diego State University
• Genesis 1:27, The Bible
• Kung Fu
• Statue of Liberty
• Fantastic Voyage
• PCP (Angel Dust), Drugs.com
• Wells Park
• Mr. Magoo
• What is Wado Kai Karate? Shintani Wado Kai Karate
• Shodokan Aikido Federation
• A History and Style Guide of Tae Kwon Do, LiveAbout
• Brewer’s Yeast
• What is the Purpose of Kata in Karate? The Karate Lifestyle
• What Is Considered Legally Blind? Healthline
• Enter the Dragon
• Fist of Fury
• Gonorrhea Symptoms and Causes, The Mayo Clinic
• Quadriceps Extension, How Stuff Works
• What Is a Neurostimulator? Medtronic
• How To Play Texas Hold’em Poker: Official Rules, PokerNews
• Seven-Card Stud Poker Rules, PokerNews
• US Playing Card Company, Wikipedia
• Cartamundi
• Bicycle Cards
• Richard Turner Thoroughly Astonishes Penn & Teller, Fool US
• Ripley’s Believe It Or Not! Eye-Popping Oddities, 2015
• Richard’s Thumb Surgery (Warning: Graphic!): Short Version | Long Version
• Lamb’s Players Theatre

SHOW NOTES

• What is The Magic Castle? [07:37]
• Who was Dai Vernon, “the man who fooled Houdini,” and how did Richard get to know him? [09:10]
• How a broke Richard finagled a free suit for his first meeting with Dai at The Magic Castle in 1975. [12:24]
• “Won’t get the money.” Sleight-of-hand smack-talk by the bust-out man who once assisted in sending Luca Brasi to sleep with the fishes. [15:16]
• Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. [20:12]
• Discipline breeds discipline. [23:43]
• You think you’re disciplined? Richard hasn’t missed a workout in 49 years — and even used to travel with a weight-filled briefcase in the days when gyms were a scarcity. Why is physical cultivation so important to him? [24:48]
• Richard shares his experience with Charles Bonnet Syndrome and the unique way in which he sees and interacts with the world. [32:26]
• Has Richard always had an eidetic memory, or did it come after he started losing his sight? [42:30]
• What were the immediate changes Richard and his sister Lori endured when they began to lose their sight, and how did this contribute to an admitted streak of rebellion? [44:04]
• Why does Richard still have a sculpture he made during this time, why doesn’t he have his piece of art that won first prize in a statewide competition, and why did he later go on to sabotage his own work? [46:15]
• How did Richard relate to anger early in life, and what helped him escape from a spiral of self-destruction? [49:12]
• What compelled Richard to take up martial arts on February 13th, 1971, and how did he fare as an absolute beginner? [55:09]
• How to make Richard’s specialty fitness drink: Liquid Hell. [1:01:06]
• Richard talks about bodybuilding, working out with Mr. Universe, refusal to accept an honorary black belt, and fighting 10 rounds in a sweltering Tijuana sweatbox against rulebreaking opponents he could only see in his peripheral vision. [1:02:23]
• What did Richard’s insane training workout to prepare for his black belt trial look like? [1:10:02]
• How Richard learned to reduce fear and control his asthma attacks, what he does to create strength by channeling his Charles Bonnet Syndrome like a superpower, and how he taught his wife to make use of his visualization technique. [1:12:40]
• A demonstration of Richard’s superpower vs. yours truly. [1:17:20]
• How Richard has harnessed his CBS to train with cards over lengthy periods of intense focus others might find exhausting. [1:18:55]
• How Richard learned and expanded on Dai Vernon’s concepts — and pulled off the seemingly impossible — over the course of 17 years. [1:20:39]
• Richard fought 10 fresh fighters in 10 rounds for his black belt (in spite of earning a broken arm in the seventh round), but it was the L.A. Times headline about the fight that bruised him the most. [1:23:28]
• What is dreaming like for Richard, and how does something like medication affect his waking visualizations? [1:25:58]
• What are Richard’s favorite colors, and did he have them before losing his sight, or did he develop them afterward?
  [1:28:39]
• How does Richard experience wind? What happens when he goes underwater? [1:29:56]
• As someone who doesn’t necessarily find relaxation relaxing, what activities do recharge Richard’s batteries? [1:31:50]
• Ever played poker in a casino and wondered if you were getting conned? I can barely shuffle, so what can Richard show me with an available table and some cards? Let’s find out. [1:35:53]
• What were Dai Vernon’s thoughts about the feat Richard just demonstrated for us? [1:43:06]
• Richard’s the one who has the ability to analyze when the manufacturing process results in cards of substandard quality and call them out. In the end, it results in a stronger product that benefits the company as well as the consumer. [1:44:37]
• What would Richard’s billboard say? [1:48:45]
• Richard is a certified oddball who works out with a crushed thumb and then shuffles cards with his one good hand as an anesthetic while his other hand is being operated upon — believe it or not. [1:49:36]
• Richard shares what happened when he got the chance to fool Penn & Teller almost a year to the day after his thumb mishap. [1:54:54]
• “That’ll get the money.” A former antagonist becomes a very dear friend. [1:57:56]
• Parting thoughts. [2:02:21]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

• Luke Korem
• Johnny Carson
• Bob Hope
• Colin Powell
• Brad Pitt
• Muhammad Ali
• Penn Jillette
• Dai Vernon
• Harry Houdini
• Kim Turner
• S.W. Erdnase
• Allen Kennedy
• Charlie Miller
• Bob Yerkes
• Elizabeth Taylor
• Tom Hanks
• Lynda Carter
• Tony Giorgio
• Bruno Tattaglia
• Vito Corleone
• Benjamin Franklin
• David Rubin
• Lori Turner
• Piggy
• Billy Mumy
• Will Robinson
• Dr. Smith
• Tarzan
• Charlton Heston
• Bruce Lee
• Kato
• James Garner
• Charles Bonnet
• Oliver Sacks
• Sigmund Freud
• Jim Turner
• Gautama Buddha
• John Murphy
• Mr. Magoo
• Jim Backus
• Chuck Norris
• Gene Fisher
• Popeye
• Olive Oyl
• Jim Blowers
• Doug Brignole
• Arnold Schwarzenegger
• Bradley Jackson
• Russell Wayne Groves
• Asa Spades Turner
• Teller
• Doug Gorman
• Jack Palance
• Lincoln Hiatt
• Andrew Golder
• Johnny Thompson
• Michael Close
• Alyson Hannigan
• Steve Terrell

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As CEO he has led his previous company to be acquired by a publicly traded company. His passion for Medical Cannabis is fueled by the benefits of cannabis in fighting many diseases.

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The California cannabis industry is the largest in the world, but there is no clear-cut leader in The Golden State. State-wide distribution, from San Diego in the south to the pot mecca of Humboldt in the north, is expensive and difficult to establish. Most producers in the state are opting to instead focus on establishing their brands in a few select regions of the state. One new player in the industry has partnered with a famous cannabis user, activist and influencer to bring a celebrity-branded THC & CBD tincture products to market.

Hollister Biosciences is on the Rise

Established in 2017, Hollister Biosciences (CSE: HOLL) (FRA: HOB) is a cannabis and hemp producer located in Hollister, California, a small farming town just south of the San Francisco Bay Area. The company intends to use vertical integration, statewide distribution and leading brands in high-margin segments of the industry to become a dominant player in The Golden State. Management has decided to focus on developing leading cannabis and hemp brands, as opposed to focusing on retail stores. This strategy should allow them to run a leaner and tighter company that’s not bogged down by the capital requirements of opening their own dispensaries.

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About Hollister Biosciences Inc

Hollister Biosciences Inc. is a California based vertically integrated cannabis company with a vision to be the sought-after premium brand portfolio of innovative, high-quality California-grown cannabis and hemp products. Hollister uses a vertically integrated, high margin model, controlling the whole process from manufacture to sales to distribution or seed to shelf. Products from Hollister Cannabis Co. include HashBone, the brand’s premier artisanal hash-infused pre-roll, along with solvent-free bubble hash, pre-packaged flower, pre-rolls, tinctures, vape products, and full-spectrum high CBD pet tinctures. Hollister Cannabis Co. additionally offers white-labeling manufacturing of cannabis products. Our wholly owned California subsidiary Hollister Cannabis Co is the 1st state and locally licensed cannabis company in the city of Hollister, CA birthplace of the “American Biker.”

A Promising and Lucrative New Partnership

While Tommy Chong gained popularity for portraying a stoner, nowadays he’s much more focused on the medical aspects of cannabis. After the market closed today, it was announced that Hollister Biosciences and Tommy Chong signed a licensing deal allowing Hollister to manufacture and distribute Tommy Chong’s Cannabis™ Full Spectrum Elixer 1:1. The cannabis tincture has an equal ratio of THC to CBD.
“We are honored and excited to be partners with such a legendary and Iconic star as Tommy Chong. Tommy has experienced the medical benefits of cannabis and we are looking forward to working together to launch Tommy Chong’s Cannabis Full Spectrum Elixir into the California Legal Cannabis marketplace,” said Hollister CEO Carl Saling.

Chong is licensing the formula and brand to Hollister, who will manufacture and distribute (via WAYV) the finished product. The two parties anticipate production of around 25,000 units in the first year, with each bottle retailing for $70 allowing Hollister to generate potential revenue of $1,750,000 in the first year. Should the product sell well, expect management to increase production dramatically.
In discussing the new partnership with Hollister, Tommy Chong stated: “I only partner with the best-in-class companies and I am really pleased to have the Hollister Cannabis Co. bring their amazing Tommy Chong’s Cannabis™ Full Spectrum Elixir to the market for me”.
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